Post by Basketball Guru on Jul 22, 2015 18:17:45 GMT -6
1. In order to resign a player, you must create a topic in the Re-Signing thread with: Players name, Salary offered, and contract year.
2. The moderators will vote to decide if that is a fair enough price for the player, if not it will be denied. It takes 2 of the 3 mods to approve it in order for it to pass.
3. If a re-sign is denied, you will have one more shot at resigning that player, if it is denied again, that player will be put into Free Agency automatically. Please provide an in-depth explanation as to why you are offering a certain salary figure.
4. There will be 3 Re-Signs in 5 Years.
5. You may offer a player a min 3-Year Contract or a max 5-Year Contract. The final year may or may not be an option year. That will be determined by the team at the time of re-sign.
6. The re-sign period will be determined each off-season by the commissioner. It will take place prior to the rookie draft.
7. The five-year re-sign period is 2015-2019.
Examples of resign threads:
Hawks are offering a 4 year deal worth $4,000,000 w/ 4th year team option. Rondo was a wreck last season after posting averages of 8.9pts 7.9dimes 5.5rebs 42.6fg% 13.49PER. Teams are hesitant to take a gamble on him in real life but for sentimental reason since he was a member of our championship team way back 2009/10 season, we will roll the dice on this 29yo product of Kentucky.
Notable PG resigns:
Ricky Rubio $5.5m 5years
Brandon Jennings $5.5m 5years
Tyreke Evans $6.5m 5years
A response to this resign thread:
I think there's a case to be made for Rondo to earn more and a case for him to earn this. I need to be sold.
This is one of those re-signs where at first you think, "hell no," but then if you were to put together a convincing case, you may realize that there is a strong argument.
All other owners, please take note. Really take the time to put together your valid points for a re-sign attempt.
This one is so tricky, because I really don't know what to expect from Rondo. He kills you in FG, FT, points, and doesn't make 3s. Yeah, the assists and steals are good, but factoring in his unknown situation in SAC, his age relative to the comparable players used, and his numbers, I cannot justify vetoing this.
1-0
Second Example of a Resign Thread:
I hope to base Vucevic's new contract on those of recently re-signed centers with similar numbers coming off of their rookie contracts. Comparing Nik to Brook and Serge, it is evident that Nik brings more to the table in more catgories. However, it is important to remember that some of these categories -- points, rebounds -- are relatively less important because of their abundance throughout fantasy basketball. Because almost every player needs to score and to rebound, I argue that they should factor less into Nik's contract. My main arguments for a contract with less value comes in Nik's defensive deficiencies. While most centers do not produce steals at a high level, they do indeed block shots. With only a few players not rostered as PF/C contributing blocks, Nik's 0.7/game is a bit shabby. His durability also brings to question the amount of money that he should yearly earn: it is almost squarely an average of Brook's 59 and Serge's 74.
Traditional PF/Cs do not bring to the table 3P shooting as does Serge Ibaka, which made sure his contract was richer than even some of the entrenched PF/Cs in the league (Horford, Bosh, Lee, Aldridge).
Taking all of this into account, my offer is:
Nikola Vucevic $34,000,000/4 years
Third Example of a Resign Thread:
Let's talk about LaMarcus Aldridge...
First, we shall look at some comparable players who have been re-signed over the last couple of years.
1) Al Horford
In his contract year, Horford put up an impressive line:
PPG: 15.3
RPG: 9.3
APG: 3.5
SPG: 0.8
BPG: 1.0
FG%: 55.7%
FT%: 79.8%
At the time of his re-sign, Horford had not been hit with the injuries he would later sustain. He was 25 years old. The contract he received was 5 years at $9M per.
2) Chris Bosh
In his contract year, Bosh put up equally impressive numbers:
PPG: 18.7
RPG: 8.3
APG: 1.9
SPG: 0.8
BPG: 0.6
FG%: 49.6%
FT%: 81.5%
At the time of his re-sign, Bosh had been a reliably healthy player. He was 27 years old. The contract he received was 5 yeasr at $9M per.
3) David Lee
In his contract year, Lee put up a healthy line:
PPG: 18.5
RPG: 11.2
APG: 3.5
SPG: 0.8
BPG: 0.3
FG%: 51.9%
FT%: 79.7%
At the time of his re-sign, Lee was considered one of the more reliable guys in the league and was 30 years old.
Now we look at LaMarcus Aldridge. Aldridge had found his groove in Portland for his entire career, however, next year he will be venturing to a new team and new system in San Antonio. While I expect his contribution to be on par for his career, he will have a better cast around him. With that being said, I know I won't insult our owners by trying to say his production will take a huge hit -- because it's San Antonio... it's a great franchise.
Like Lee, Aldridge too will be 30 years old this coming season. That's not old, but he's got some mileage.
Last season, Aldridge put up very good numbers:
PPG: 23.4
RPG: 10.2
APG: 1.7
SPG: 0.7
BPG: 1.0
FG%: 46.6%
FT%: 84.5%
When we compare Aldridge's numbers in his re-sign year to the numbers of the above mention players in their re-sign year, here is the category breakdown on "who has the edge":
PPG: LMA > all 3 comparable players
RPG: Lee > Aldridge > Horford and Bosh
APG: Lee and Horford (by 2 APG over LMA) > Bosh > Aldridge
SPG: All 3 are separated by .10 so we can exclude that comparison
FG%: Horford > Lee > Bosh > Aldridge (Horford by 10%)
FT%: Aldridge > all 3 comparable players
So Aldridge has the edge in PPG and FT% based on comparisons. Will his rebound numbers dip to below 10 RPG in SA with Duncan on the glass? I don't know, but it's a valid concern. Plus, his assist numbers just are not there. Further, compared to these other bigs, his FG% is seriously lagging due to his mid-range game. The league has routinely approving signings for a player with these numbers for $9M per year. Further, the one thing that is worth noting is that Aldridge played with torn ligaments in his thumb for much of last year. It may not be an issue moving forward, but it is something to monitor.
The (team name) are prepared to offer the 30 year old LaMarcus Aldridge a 5 year deal, however, they will do so at prevailing rates based on comparable player comparisons (Horford, Bosh, Lee):
$45,000,000/5 years (with the 5th year being a team option).
A response to this resign thread:
"I don't think his numbers will take a huge hit, but they will take a hit. LaMarcus won't be playing 35 mpg again, probably for the rest of his career. This is probably on the low end, but it's passable.
3-1"
Fourth example of a Resign Thread: The Utah Jazz would like to re-sign Rudy Gay to the value of $8M over 5 years (with 5th year option).
Looking at some players who have been re-signed over the last couple of years, though it is hard to actually compare the SF position, the following comparison is as follows:
Player Points Rebs Assists 3pts Stls Blks FG% FT% Contract Value
Rudy Gay 21.1 5.9 3.7 1.2 1.0 0.6 0.45 0.86 $8M (proposed)
Chandler Parsons (2014) 16.6 5.5 4.0 1.8 1.2 0.4 0.47 0.72 $7M
LaMarcus Aldridge (2015) 23.4 10.2 1.7 0.5 0.7 1.0 0.47 0.85 $9M
Gay's stats are very similar to Parsons except for extra points & better FT%, while Parsons is better at 3pts made. Parsons value is $7M so Gay should be more but not too much above $7M.
I included Aldridge because even though he is a PF his stats & recent re-sign value actually give a good indication of Gay's approximate value. Both have similar stats besides Aldridge's much better rebounds stat, & too a lesser extent points & blocks. While Gay is much better in assists & too a lesser extent 3pts made. Aldridge was just re-signed for $9M so Gay should be a bit under that amount.
Split the difference between the players above (Parsons - $7M and Aldridge - $9M) and I think re-signing Rudy Gay at $8M is a fair & accurate value.
Fifth Example of a Resign Thread:
Golden state offers Isaiah Thomas 6,500,000 for 4 years with a 5th year team option.
FG% FT% 3PT REB AST A/TO STL TO PTS BLK
Ty Lawson .436 .730 .9 3.1 9.6 3.89 1.2 2.5 15.2 .1 Current salary $7,000,000
Isaiah Thomas .421 .868 1.9 2.3 4.2 1.94 .9 2.1 16.4 .1 Projected salary $6,500,000
Mike Conley .446 .859 1.5 3 5.4 2.4 1.3 2.2 16.3 .2 Current salary $6,500,000
Darren Collison .473 .788 1.3 3.2 5.6 2.25 1.5 2.5 16.1 .3 Current salary $4,750,000
Brandon Jennings .401 .839 1.9 2.5 6.6 3.02 1.1 2.2 15.4 .1 Current salary $5,000,000
Ricky Rubio .356 .803 .6 5.7 8.8 3.02 1.7 2.9 10.3 .3 Current salary $5,500,000
George Hill .477 .790 1.6 4.2 5.1 3.19 1 1.6 16.1 .3 Current salary $4,750,000
Jeff Teague .460 .862 1 2.5 7 2.5 1.7 2.8 15.9 .4 Current salary $7,000,000
(team name) is looking to re-sign I.Thomas to solidify the point guard position. This move is made to help compete this year and in the future as he is only 26 years old.
The salary offered is comparable with other players at the same position.
Response to Resign Thread:
This is more than fair, especially if Boston continues to use him as a 6th man.
1-0
A brief, hashed out resign thread is subject to rejection. The more information, the better the chance at resigning a player. Resigning a player should not be easy, teams are given two opportunities and should approach each opportunity as methodically as possible. Really take the time to put together your valid points for a re-sign attempt.
* Numbers in context with other comparisons as well as salary comparisons with other players at similar positions and similar stats are mandatory.
* Re-signings are done based on the amount of free salary cap in the following season not the current season.
* Do not compare players using NBA salary numbers but league salary number.
* The trade committee decides whether a resign is approved or denied.
2. The moderators will vote to decide if that is a fair enough price for the player, if not it will be denied. It takes 2 of the 3 mods to approve it in order for it to pass.
3. If a re-sign is denied, you will have one more shot at resigning that player, if it is denied again, that player will be put into Free Agency automatically. Please provide an in-depth explanation as to why you are offering a certain salary figure.
4. There will be 3 Re-Signs in 5 Years.
5. You may offer a player a min 3-Year Contract or a max 5-Year Contract. The final year may or may not be an option year. That will be determined by the team at the time of re-sign.
6. The re-sign period will be determined each off-season by the commissioner. It will take place prior to the rookie draft.
7. The five-year re-sign period is 2015-2019.
Examples of resign threads:
Hawks are offering a 4 year deal worth $4,000,000 w/ 4th year team option. Rondo was a wreck last season after posting averages of 8.9pts 7.9dimes 5.5rebs 42.6fg% 13.49PER. Teams are hesitant to take a gamble on him in real life but for sentimental reason since he was a member of our championship team way back 2009/10 season, we will roll the dice on this 29yo product of Kentucky.
Notable PG resigns:
Ricky Rubio $5.5m 5years
Brandon Jennings $5.5m 5years
Tyreke Evans $6.5m 5years
| Player | Points | FG% | FT% | 3pt % | Assists | Rebounds | Steals |
| Rajon Rondo Age: 29yo | 8.9 | 42.6 | 39.7 | 31.4 | 7.9 | 5.5 | 1.3 |
| Ricky Rubio Age: 24yo | 9.5 | 38.1 | 80.2 | 33.1 | 8.6 | 4.2 | 2.3 |
| Brandon Jennings Age: 25yo | 15.5 | 37.3 | 75.1 | 33.7 | 7.6 | 3.1 | 1.3 |
| Tyreke Evans Age:25yo | 14.5 | 43.6 | 77.1 | 22.1 | 5.0 | 4.7 | 1.2 |
A response to this resign thread:
I think there's a case to be made for Rondo to earn more and a case for him to earn this. I need to be sold.
This is one of those re-signs where at first you think, "hell no," but then if you were to put together a convincing case, you may realize that there is a strong argument.
All other owners, please take note. Really take the time to put together your valid points for a re-sign attempt.
This one is so tricky, because I really don't know what to expect from Rondo. He kills you in FG, FT, points, and doesn't make 3s. Yeah, the assists and steals are good, but factoring in his unknown situation in SAC, his age relative to the comparable players used, and his numbers, I cannot justify vetoing this.
1-0
Second Example of a Resign Thread:
| Player | Points | Assists | Rebounds | Steals | Blocks | Turnovers | FG% | FT% | GP Last Season | Career Average GP | Contract |
| Nikola Vucevic | 19.3 | 2.0 | 10.9 | 0.7 | 0.7 | 2.0 | .523 | .752 | 74 | 64.75 | ~ |
| Serge Ibaka | 14.3 | 0.9 | 7.8 | 0.5 | 2.4 | 1.5 | .476 | .836 | 64 | 74.3 | $9,500,000 |
| Brook Lopez | 17.2 | 0.7 | 7.4 | 0.6 | 1.8 | 1.4 | .513 | .814 | 72 | 59.14 | $8,000,000 |
I hope to base Vucevic's new contract on those of recently re-signed centers with similar numbers coming off of their rookie contracts. Comparing Nik to Brook and Serge, it is evident that Nik brings more to the table in more catgories. However, it is important to remember that some of these categories -- points, rebounds -- are relatively less important because of their abundance throughout fantasy basketball. Because almost every player needs to score and to rebound, I argue that they should factor less into Nik's contract. My main arguments for a contract with less value comes in Nik's defensive deficiencies. While most centers do not produce steals at a high level, they do indeed block shots. With only a few players not rostered as PF/C contributing blocks, Nik's 0.7/game is a bit shabby. His durability also brings to question the amount of money that he should yearly earn: it is almost squarely an average of Brook's 59 and Serge's 74.
Traditional PF/Cs do not bring to the table 3P shooting as does Serge Ibaka, which made sure his contract was richer than even some of the entrenched PF/Cs in the league (Horford, Bosh, Lee, Aldridge).
Taking all of this into account, my offer is:
Nikola Vucevic $34,000,000/4 years
Third Example of a Resign Thread:
Let's talk about LaMarcus Aldridge...
First, we shall look at some comparable players who have been re-signed over the last couple of years.
1) Al Horford
In his contract year, Horford put up an impressive line:
PPG: 15.3
RPG: 9.3
APG: 3.5
SPG: 0.8
BPG: 1.0
FG%: 55.7%
FT%: 79.8%
At the time of his re-sign, Horford had not been hit with the injuries he would later sustain. He was 25 years old. The contract he received was 5 years at $9M per.
2) Chris Bosh
In his contract year, Bosh put up equally impressive numbers:
PPG: 18.7
RPG: 8.3
APG: 1.9
SPG: 0.8
BPG: 0.6
FG%: 49.6%
FT%: 81.5%
At the time of his re-sign, Bosh had been a reliably healthy player. He was 27 years old. The contract he received was 5 yeasr at $9M per.
3) David Lee
In his contract year, Lee put up a healthy line:
PPG: 18.5
RPG: 11.2
APG: 3.5
SPG: 0.8
BPG: 0.3
FG%: 51.9%
FT%: 79.7%
At the time of his re-sign, Lee was considered one of the more reliable guys in the league and was 30 years old.
Now we look at LaMarcus Aldridge. Aldridge had found his groove in Portland for his entire career, however, next year he will be venturing to a new team and new system in San Antonio. While I expect his contribution to be on par for his career, he will have a better cast around him. With that being said, I know I won't insult our owners by trying to say his production will take a huge hit -- because it's San Antonio... it's a great franchise.
Like Lee, Aldridge too will be 30 years old this coming season. That's not old, but he's got some mileage.
Last season, Aldridge put up very good numbers:
PPG: 23.4
RPG: 10.2
APG: 1.7
SPG: 0.7
BPG: 1.0
FG%: 46.6%
FT%: 84.5%
When we compare Aldridge's numbers in his re-sign year to the numbers of the above mention players in their re-sign year, here is the category breakdown on "who has the edge":
PPG: LMA > all 3 comparable players
RPG: Lee > Aldridge > Horford and Bosh
APG: Lee and Horford (by 2 APG over LMA) > Bosh > Aldridge
SPG: All 3 are separated by .10 so we can exclude that comparison
FG%: Horford > Lee > Bosh > Aldridge (Horford by 10%)
FT%: Aldridge > all 3 comparable players
So Aldridge has the edge in PPG and FT% based on comparisons. Will his rebound numbers dip to below 10 RPG in SA with Duncan on the glass? I don't know, but it's a valid concern. Plus, his assist numbers just are not there. Further, compared to these other bigs, his FG% is seriously lagging due to his mid-range game. The league has routinely approving signings for a player with these numbers for $9M per year. Further, the one thing that is worth noting is that Aldridge played with torn ligaments in his thumb for much of last year. It may not be an issue moving forward, but it is something to monitor.
The (team name) are prepared to offer the 30 year old LaMarcus Aldridge a 5 year deal, however, they will do so at prevailing rates based on comparable player comparisons (Horford, Bosh, Lee):
$45,000,000/5 years (with the 5th year being a team option).
A response to this resign thread:
"I don't think his numbers will take a huge hit, but they will take a hit. LaMarcus won't be playing 35 mpg again, probably for the rest of his career. This is probably on the low end, but it's passable.
3-1"
Fourth example of a Resign Thread: The Utah Jazz would like to re-sign Rudy Gay to the value of $8M over 5 years (with 5th year option).
Looking at some players who have been re-signed over the last couple of years, though it is hard to actually compare the SF position, the following comparison is as follows:
Player Points Rebs Assists 3pts Stls Blks FG% FT% Contract Value
Rudy Gay 21.1 5.9 3.7 1.2 1.0 0.6 0.45 0.86 $8M (proposed)
Chandler Parsons (2014) 16.6 5.5 4.0 1.8 1.2 0.4 0.47 0.72 $7M
LaMarcus Aldridge (2015) 23.4 10.2 1.7 0.5 0.7 1.0 0.47 0.85 $9M
Gay's stats are very similar to Parsons except for extra points & better FT%, while Parsons is better at 3pts made. Parsons value is $7M so Gay should be more but not too much above $7M.
I included Aldridge because even though he is a PF his stats & recent re-sign value actually give a good indication of Gay's approximate value. Both have similar stats besides Aldridge's much better rebounds stat, & too a lesser extent points & blocks. While Gay is much better in assists & too a lesser extent 3pts made. Aldridge was just re-signed for $9M so Gay should be a bit under that amount.
Split the difference between the players above (Parsons - $7M and Aldridge - $9M) and I think re-signing Rudy Gay at $8M is a fair & accurate value.
Fifth Example of a Resign Thread:
Golden state offers Isaiah Thomas 6,500,000 for 4 years with a 5th year team option.
FG% FT% 3PT REB AST A/TO STL TO PTS BLK
Ty Lawson .436 .730 .9 3.1 9.6 3.89 1.2 2.5 15.2 .1 Current salary $7,000,000
Isaiah Thomas .421 .868 1.9 2.3 4.2 1.94 .9 2.1 16.4 .1 Projected salary $6,500,000
Mike Conley .446 .859 1.5 3 5.4 2.4 1.3 2.2 16.3 .2 Current salary $6,500,000
Darren Collison .473 .788 1.3 3.2 5.6 2.25 1.5 2.5 16.1 .3 Current salary $4,750,000
Brandon Jennings .401 .839 1.9 2.5 6.6 3.02 1.1 2.2 15.4 .1 Current salary $5,000,000
Ricky Rubio .356 .803 .6 5.7 8.8 3.02 1.7 2.9 10.3 .3 Current salary $5,500,000
George Hill .477 .790 1.6 4.2 5.1 3.19 1 1.6 16.1 .3 Current salary $4,750,000
Jeff Teague .460 .862 1 2.5 7 2.5 1.7 2.8 15.9 .4 Current salary $7,000,000
(team name) is looking to re-sign I.Thomas to solidify the point guard position. This move is made to help compete this year and in the future as he is only 26 years old.
The salary offered is comparable with other players at the same position.
Response to Resign Thread:
This is more than fair, especially if Boston continues to use him as a 6th man.
1-0
A brief, hashed out resign thread is subject to rejection. The more information, the better the chance at resigning a player. Resigning a player should not be easy, teams are given two opportunities and should approach each opportunity as methodically as possible. Really take the time to put together your valid points for a re-sign attempt.
* Numbers in context with other comparisons as well as salary comparisons with other players at similar positions and similar stats are mandatory.
* Re-signings are done based on the amount of free salary cap in the following season not the current season.
* Do not compare players using NBA salary numbers but league salary number.
* The trade committee decides whether a resign is approved or denied.